Poll: Do you support SoloQ only, or would you prefer to keep premades?
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If possible, separate soloq and premades
20.00%
3 20.00%
Keep Premades stop qq n00p
26.67%
4 26.67%
SoloQ Only
20.00%
3 20.00%
Bring back world PvP
33.33%
5 33.33%
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Suggestion to remove Premades from WSG
#21
sun im actually not going to take the time to break down why the argument is flawed any more for you because I already spoon fed it to you.
If you actually feel like it you can read this and apply it to the current discussion: http://www.umsl.edu/~lindquists/sample.html

sun you are also the king of made up facts and numbers, im actually not the first person to point this out too
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
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#22
love how most of these people that disagree with this, are people that premade any time they get the chance lol
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#23
you can tell on that forum that i'm the king of whatever and maybe convince 2 or 3 guys that are easily impressionable by manipulators like you.
i dont realy care

Btw, don't expect me to keep on talking to you and feed the drama you are trying so sadly to create, just to make the real matter disapear.

Bring actual arguments or stop talking to me
#24
"Bring actual arguments or stop talking to me"

I keep trying but you seem to have a filter in your brain that makes it so you miss a lot...

"Btw, don't expect me to keep on talking to you and feed the drama"..."because I have no rebuttal other than completely dodging what's going on"

Nice try though!
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
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#25
(02-15-2017, 08:34 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: sun im actually not going to take the time to break down why the argument is flawed any more for you because I already spoon fed it to you.
If you actually feel like it you can read this and apply it to the current discussion: http://www.umsl.edu/~lindquists/sample.html

sun you are also the king of made up facts and numbers, im actually not the first person to point this out too

God bless, I know this will go into a flame war xD 

Okay, lets point out some negative things that happens when the people who are flaming Modnar & touchQt. Its pretty easy to point out what they do, they premade. (Yes gnaw, im talking about you, sorry honey xD). The problem with 10 man premades is the people who they are going against (obv d1 idiets). One night the premade was up que'ing, and there was no wsg up for 10 mins, or Ab too. When the wsg popped, it was 3v10 (10 people obvly the premade) and the 2 people with me were d1. 


Its kinda stupid how you guys try to flame TouchQt when really he is trying to improve the server, and hes always has. You guys gotta give him credits instead of this trash talk. Everyone wants to improve the server they play on right?? (or may b i am autistic) 

10 man premade bis can beat any d1 random new comers who haven't played vanilla for a long time. @Modnar and Ministre +Sunqt good thread, I like the idea's, same as Reckx. Decreasing the group cap for wsg would be more interesting. 

yee blah blah blah wall of text cryy no1 care about u ipolyy, u always que with 6 healers and beat my premade all the time - shadowbladez
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#26
Taken from a new player's post

Quote:Hey!

I recently joined the server, so I've really been experiencing this whole thing.

Yeah. Sure it can be a pain when you have no gear - But quite frankly, It's fine!
It gives me the chance to chat up with people on my team - And in general be way more social.

It is a vanilla WoW PvP Server - So of course we should keep the ability to queue as a group - Even if you're 10 guys!
Try to see it as a challenge. Most of those premades does not communicate in any way. If you want to win, you'll be forced to meet new people, and plan the strategy Smile

Otherwise - I can recommend completing some PvE to get items, if you're not interested in PvPing, before you have some better items - which i can totally understand Smile

The trouble is the sense of confirmation bias that those of you who are against premades have. 
Let me explain; 
You tend to only confirm information which already agrees with your current explanations and reasonings. And you tend to reinforce your reasonings by ignoring any information which does not agree with your reasonings. 



for those of you who accuse me or gnawbone (or anyone) to be posting in objection to this suggestion out of self preservation; allow me to explain our rational for the seemingly millionth time using quotes from various other like minded players who had no issues with creating their own team.

Sapphire Wrote: 
This doesnt stop you from making a smaller group to try and retaliate or just run a dungeon or two while there are people stroking their epeens. All is fair in wow, if you get tired of taking it up the ass, then man up and make a change.
Buhr Wrote:since wow is a team game (duels aside) it should be played as such.
queing solo can result in a game where the team play together but many times it is not the case. people like to run around, chase others and completely ignore calls, flags and basic teamplay mechanics. if you play a solo class like hunter, rogue or shaman maybe its fun but not for casters who rely on support. if soloqueue matches with a balanced player pool ensured good games, there would be no reason for me to start premading, the fun of playing with friends aside. but since too often one ends up with terrible players and thus there are onesided games. stomping pugs with a premade is as onesided admittedly, but at least its more fun Smile
but the main reason for running premades is the hope that other groups will form and we can have better matches.
sometimes i made big raids and we drafted into 2 teams. mostly to get AB pops. then again there are hardly people who like to run groups, even though its not that hard. hopefully some ally guilds will start grouping up and show horde how good they are Smile
Eyeless Wrote:This server has made HUGE strides from when I first started back in Feburary 2015. ( Eternal was my other forum account, can't remember the password and the retrieving system is not working correctly any who) But to see someone who has obviously just been here for less than a month to come in and start crying about WSG and not being able to gear.. is just down right ignorant.. There are so many ways to gear on this server without having to BG right off the bat. I killed whorehounds for the first month of playing on this server so I feel no sympathy when it comes to the whole Pre made have to go bullshit, its a simple matter get into a guild or make your own guild and start queuing.. or oh yeah don't be anti social and make friends...
-------OH YEAH PLAY SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED LIKE HEALS, INSTEAD OF THE SAME OLD THING MAGE/HUNTER/WARRIOR
--- EYELESS





I will refrain from quoting myself. The threads these are pulled from are in the declined section of suggestions, so if you're curious you can go read through them again; but most of you have posts already in those threads, so I'm fairly certain you can find them.

I think gnawbone is going about responding in the wrong way, but he, and others like him, make valid points that are ignored in favor of made up statistics, and playing a victim card.
(02-15-2017, 07:49 PM)LeMinistre Wrote: As for Lavz and Gnawbone they are their usual self attacking people to take away credit from their idea without giving any feedback toward the actual idea, that's what they do don't mind them..

If you're feeling attacked, perhaps take a deep breath and notice how you are in no worse position than anyone else on the server. This blatant victimization of yourselves and  
(02-15-2017, 08:13 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: look at you, the lone victimized martyr here to taut fairness in bgs for all the little man. you must really know how servers work please lend us your insight?
i must be such a bad guy to disagree and provide counter arguments. i can honestly see why gnawbone is so upset, when he provides ample evidence that gets countered with pure conjecture or blatant false information.



I will say this, I know you only mean well; but trust me, i've seen what happens when you apply marxism and socialist framing to a pvp environment, people will stop queing all together when they realize they're giving you a free ride; and ques will be one of two things -- empty, or midfarming brainless games where only 2-3 people actually play the objective. those of you asking for "banprem" or nerfing full 10 man are akin to a person who works at mcdonalds asking for a government bailout because starting your own business is "too hard"

and here we are, beating the same dead horse that never seems to go away...
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#27
ok im sorry for flaming lavz pretty much said everything that needs to be said

(02-15-2017, 09:47 PM)Ipolylol Wrote:
(02-15-2017, 08:34 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: sun im actually not going to take the time to break down why the argument is flawed any more for you because I already spoon fed it to you.
If you actually feel like it you can read this and apply it to the current discussion: http://www.umsl.edu/~lindquists/sample.html

sun you are also the king of made up facts and numbers, im actually not the first person to point this out too

God bless, I know this will go into a flame war xD 

Okay, lets point out some negative things that happens when the people who are flaming Modnar & touchQt. Its pretty easy to point out what they do, they premade. (Yes gnaw, im talking about you, sorry honey xD). The problem with 10 man premades is the people who they are going against (obv d1 idiets). One night the premade was up que'ing, and there was no wsg up for 10 mins, or Ab too. When the wsg popped, it was 3v10 (10 people obvly the premade) and the 2 people with me were d1. 


Its kinda stupid how you guys try to flame TouchQt when really he is trying to improve the server, and hes always has. You guys gotta give him credits instead of this trash talk. Everyone wants to improve the server they play on right?? (or may b i am autistic) 

10 man premade bis can beat any d1 random new comers who haven't played vanilla for a long time. @Modnar and Ministre +Sunqt good thread, I like the idea's, same as Reckx. Decreasing the group cap for wsg would be more interesting. 

yee blah blah blah wall of text cryy no1 care about u ipolyy, u always que with 6 healers and beat my premade all the time - shadowbladez

*clap*
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
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#28
(02-15-2017, 10:34 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: ok im sorry for flaming lavz pretty much said everything that needs to be said

(02-15-2017, 09:47 PM)Ipolylol Wrote:
(02-15-2017, 08:34 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: sun im actually not going to take the time to break down why the argument is flawed any more for you because I already spoon fed it to you.
If you actually feel like it you can read this and apply it to the current discussion: http://www.umsl.edu/~lindquists/sample.html

sun you are also the king of made up facts and numbers, im actually not the first person to point this out too

God bless, I know this will go into a flame war xD 

Okay, lets point out some negative things that happens when the people who are flaming Modnar & touchQt. Its pretty easy to point out what they do, they premade. (Yes gnaw, im talking about you, sorry honey xD). The problem with 10 man premades is the people who they are going against (obv d1 idiets). One night the premade was up que'ing, and there was no wsg up for 10 mins, or Ab too. When the wsg popped, it was 3v10 (10 people obvly the premade) and the 2 people with me were d1. 


Its kinda stupid how you guys try to flame TouchQt when really he is trying to improve the server, and hes always has. You guys gotta give him credits instead of this trash talk. Everyone wants to improve the server they play on right?? (or may b i am autistic) 

10 man premade bis can beat any d1 random new comers who haven't played vanilla for a long time. @Modnar and Ministre +Sunqt good thread, I like the idea's, same as Reckx. Decreasing the group cap for wsg would be more interesting. 

yee blah blah blah wall of text cryy no1 care about u ipolyy, u always que with 6 healers and beat my premade all the time - shadowbladez

*clap*

U sound like an smashing player son!!!!1

srsly tho go outside and get ur fucking hole already u cheeky prick
#29
(02-15-2017, 10:51 PM)hwl Wrote:
(02-15-2017, 10:34 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: ok im sorry for flaming lavz pretty much said everything that needs to be said

(02-15-2017, 09:47 PM)Ipolylol Wrote:
(02-15-2017, 08:34 PM)Gnawbone Wrote: sun im actually not going to take the time to break down why the argument is flawed any more for you because I already spoon fed it to you.
If you actually feel like it you can read this and apply it to the current discussion: http://www.umsl.edu/~lindquists/sample.html

sun you are also the king of made up facts and numbers, im actually not the first person to point this out too

God bless, I know this will go into a flame war xD 

Okay, lets point out some negative things that happens when the people who are flaming Modnar & touchQt. Its pretty easy to point out what they do, they premade. (Yes gnaw, im talking about you, sorry honey xD). The problem with 10 man premades is the people who they are going against (obv d1 idiets). One night the premade was up que'ing, and there was no wsg up for 10 mins, or Ab too. When the wsg popped, it was 3v10 (10 people obvly the premade) and the 2 people with me were d1. 


Its kinda stupid how you guys try to flame TouchQt when really he is trying to improve the server, and hes always has. You guys gotta give him credits instead of this trash talk. Everyone wants to improve the server they play on right?? (or may b i am autistic) 

10 man premade bis can beat any d1 random new comers who haven't played vanilla for a long time. @Modnar and Ministre +Sunqt good thread, I like the idea's, same as Reckx. Decreasing the group cap for wsg would be more interesting. 

yee blah blah blah wall of text cryy no1 care about u ipolyy, u always que with 6 healers and beat my premade all the time - shadowbladez

*clap*

U sound like an smashing player son!!!!1

srsly tho go outside and get ur fucking hole already u cheeky prick

wow thank you!!!

srsly tho thank you
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#30
Don't worry boy, I don't feel attacked or victimized and can take care of myself just fine when it comes to ethugs..

And again you couldn't end your post without calling people disagreeing with you mcdonalds workers too dumb to start a business..

We're here trying to improve a server so the population grows and as the population increases so will the server's ability to bring in gms and devs to add up content.

Also your quotes just bring the same argument that "stop being so dumb you cant make a premade yourself" because it's the only thing you can think about.

All we see is premaders coming here, flaming about how it's bad for the server (how?) to reduce the number of players in a pvp group. "Premades were always a thing in wow" yes given a very high population compared to retro in non cross faction bgs in which case you would not face premades non stop in a non peak hour like ipoly mentionned. By the end of vanilla battlegroups existed reducing the chance of facing premades.



Now understand me I don't want a full premade ban and soloQ only, but there is obviously a problem with the bis steamrollers and it drives people away from retro and if you can't accept to reduce the size of premades and are not willing to let this happen in order for the community to grow dont't come here claiming what you're saying is in the server's best interest.


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